Comments on: Defining Yourself By Your Vision – Not The Camera

By: amateur

amateur — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:02 +0000

Excellent post!

The camera does not define me or my pics – it’s just a tool – unless it’s one of those expensive big things – good to prep up one’s wilting ego.

Yet, I disagree – IMO stuff like this is the future of publishing: http://bit.ly/hcwl2 The line between stills and motion is gone forever and will only get more blurred as the tools are getting cheaper and easier to use for everybody.

This is exactly where the army of ambitious aspiring amateurs enter the game. And where the second disagreement comes from: It’s not just the price point – I’m keen, have ambition to succeed on a 1-off chance, lack attitude, I’m not constricted by old notions and done ways…

To the client it’s flexibility for less, albeit with a risk of sub-par results. It may be a calculated risk/trade-off, it’s not always dim wits on the side of the client! From the “camera operators’” view it’s foot-in-the door, exciting weekend project, not doom and gloom – quite the opposite – exciting times from where I am standing.

The point is:

I’ll never be able to ‘steal’ a client from an open minded Web-2.0-ready photog with unique vision/ideas over quoting a lower price – I don’t even get asked for a quote on those jobs. I am competing with generic old-fashioned shooters, who are weighted down by a huge gear bag and often the arrogance to match.

Please don’t flame me – I’m just saying it looks different from the “camera operator’s” POV.

By: anotherview

anotherview — Mon, 15 Feb 2010 04:17:22 +0000

Starting from a position of concern with earnings clouds the issue here. Subtract money from the dialog, in order to clarify the fundamental. Still photography and film photography differ substantially while having much in common (lighting, point of view, composition, and so on). They function as separate mediums of human expression, yet of course they may compliment one another. The example of grabbing one frame from a set of film frames, and then presenting it for use as a still photograph, rests on a presumption that this image may stand alone, just as a still photograph does. In any case, this image has left the film behind. But this one still photograph lacks the vital element of the intent of its creator at that precise instant. One could argue, however, that an overall intent blanketed the film frames from beginning to end, and that this intent gained more point from an editing process that removed frames, by which this intent reached everything on the final piece of film. Then a movie came into being. No moviegoer, however, picks out one frame from the thousands of frames for capturing the overall intent, although this one frame may signal the mood of the movie. A string of frames educes the intent. Finally, that one grabbed frame, even if useful and representative, almost assuredly must undergo further development as a still photograph by another with a more or less clear intent, to make that one frame serve as a standalone photograph, whatever its purpose. As such, it will succeed in large part for the intention it conveys to a viewer.

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By: Bill

Bill — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:24:21 +0000

I don’t disagree that the RED and other high-res video options are in encroaching on our business. But don’t we believe that pulling a still from a video is inherently a compromise? Wouldn’t we as photographers do our best to convince our clients that to pull a still from a motion shoot isn’t ultimately in their best interests?
I guess I’m wondering if asking photographers to shoot video is a lot like asking a video crew to bring along still cameras and shoot the print too. I tend to prefer the specialist approach, and so I worry that we’re watering down our worth if we generalize too much.
By all means, do whatever you can to serve your client. My company has provided photography and video side by side for years–but it’s divided into two separate departments because we understand the skills needed to do one are not the same skills needed to do the other. Not better or worse, just different.
I don’t claim to have the answer, I just worry that we’re putting the cart before the horse. Then again, maybe I’m just resistant to having to personally learn video and it’s clouding my judgment. I just know that whenever I see “how to sell video too” aimed at photographers, I can’t help but think about how I’d feel if it was “how to sell stills” aimed at video shooters. And I just wonder if other folks are concerned about this too?
By the way, I don’t think my stance/opinion/question about this contradicts Gail’s original post–which says that what is special about you is your vision and that “defining yourself by your tools” is dangerous territory. Maybe that’s exactly what I’m asking: aren’t we in danger of defining ourselves by what our cameras are capable of?

By: Helen

Helen — Thu, 11 Feb 2010 03:59:50 +0000

>> causing video shooters to suddenly think they were still photographers and inspiring them to go after large swaths of our business…

What about those magazine covers and promo stills taken with RED (video!) cameras? It’s a matter of cutting out a single frame. I don’t see any active discussions (or any, for that matter) about how they’re taking away photographer’s biz.

While they used to need both a video and a photo guy on the set, they may do with just the video now. I think it may be a threat for some segments of photography.

By: Gail Mooney

Gail Mooney — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:43:12 +0000

Art,

The photographers I talk to who have expanded their businesses by also offering to produce video – usually in a collaborative effort – were prompted by their existing clients asking “do you shoot video”? They are meeting their clients’ needs by collaborating with others who already do know the “craft” of shooting motion.

By: Gail Mooney

Gail Mooney — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:40:39 +0000

Bill,

Have you ever heard of the RED camera? Well video producers are going after the still market and using frame grabs from cameras like this. And I’ve heard from more than one art director that they like picking out “the moment” from the quicktime file they are handed by the production company.
The irony is that some clients are hiring the video crew and using the frame grabs for their still needs. June 09 cover of Esquire magazine was shot with a frame grab from the video camera.

By: Bill

Bill — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:27:13 +0000

I can’t help but think that if video cameras could capture 25-megapixel 16-bit still images, causing video shooters to suddenly think they were still photographers and inspiring them to go after large swaths of our business, we’d be united in our mockery of their naivete. Yet we somehow think that because our cameras have some cool new features we’ve transformed somehow into fully capable videographers and producers? Am I the only one who finds this a bit laughable? Maybe even ironic?

By: Art Dickinson

Art Dickinson — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:57:04 +0000

imo, still photographers have no business getting into video , period.
Like you said, it’s a different mind set and a craft unto itself. I say, let the video pros handle motion, I’ll stick to crafting images one by one.